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Post by acathala on May 14, 2016 20:29:36 GMT -5
Fish is back. I am not amused. I don't care about spoilers, just tell me she gets put back into the ground. Or preferably incinerated, tough I doubt that will stop whatever moron writer from bringing her back again.
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Post by TG Barighm on May 14, 2016 22:05:21 GMT -5
What the hell are you talking about? When did Fish come back? I didn't see anything like that. Last I saw, Penguin blew up Galavan with a bazooka (which was wicked cool, btw).
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Post by acathala on May 15, 2016 11:29:28 GMT -5
I was told she had been reanimated like Theo.
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Post by TG Barighm on May 15, 2016 11:42:30 GMT -5
Hmm...well, there is only one episode left. Hopefully your friend was just talking about Firefly.
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Post by acathala on May 15, 2016 16:44:01 GMT -5
I hope so too, but he hates her more than I do. And I hate her a lot. Besides I think we saw her body in an earlier episode in Strange's hideaway. Sorry to inadvertantly spoiler you if that's the case.
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Post by TG Barighm on May 15, 2016 17:12:29 GMT -5
The show has been delayed a lot recently because they have this stupid thing where if a basketball game comes on at the same time, they show the basketball game and cancel the show for that whole week. They don't reschedule the show or allow you to record it on another channel. They just cancel the whole thing because ONE network would rather show a basketball game. Anyway, between March and April, there were only 4 new episodes.
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Post by acathala on May 15, 2016 19:57:11 GMT -5
It's the same when tennis at Wimbledon is on, except programming is disrupted for the couple of weeks it's on.
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Post by TG Barighm on May 15, 2016 20:21:44 GMT -5
Somebody actually watches tennis? Joking, but at least over here you can only see that on the sports networks, so it's not a problem. The Canadian networks don't do dumb things like that. They will show hockey, sure, but they have back-up networks, will tell you the show can be seen somewhere else during the game, and then they will air the show again during the night anyway so PVRs can catch it. No idea why more networks don't do that.
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Post by TG Barighm on May 16, 2016 20:28:53 GMT -5
Crap. It's true. Not only that, but they didn't even try to improve her character by changing her personality. She's exactly the same, and now she has superpowers.
To add insult to injury, her acting is worse than ever. You could actually feel how much she hates playing the character.
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Post by TG Barighm on May 19, 2016 22:34:16 GMT -5
Just got Arkham Knight through my rental service.
Man, they weren't kidding about how much the tank takes over the gameplay. I don't really mind blowing stuff up with it, but using the tank to solve Riddler puzzles? Now I feel like I'm leaving Catwoman to die just because I hate racing with the tank.
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Post by TG Barighm on May 23, 2016 21:09:53 GMT -5
Is Firefly male or female? It's hard to tell. In Arkham Knight, he's male and I know the Arkham games are designed to be faithful to the lore; however, he was also male in the fourth season of the animated series and I know they reversed the genders of a few characters there. In Gotham, they made the character female.
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Post by acathala on May 25, 2016 19:48:15 GMT -5
Both comic book versions have been male. The second one actually bought his suit off the original. The second first appeared in the Gotham Central comic(the one which focused on a police unit set up by Gordon). Since the 52 reboot, this may not be canon. Incidently I knew Azrael was coming as soon as St Dumas was mentioned. He's a fairly major character in the Knightfall arc, where he takes over as Batman, when Bane breaks Bruce's back. Bruce has to take the Batman mantle back, as Azrael is very unstable and violent. Get used to the tank. There is a boss battle where you need it. I just don't understand why the hell they brought Fish back. She was done. I hope to god they're not making her the Mad Hatter. I mention the Mad Hatter as she has some form of mind control and Strange quoted Lewis Carroll. I hate her almost as much Barb. At least Barb is pretty. I wonder if the reason she's been brought back is because she's Will Smith's wife, and the producers are hoping he'll make a cameo?
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Post by TG Barighm on May 25, 2016 22:01:56 GMT -5
A cross-marketing deal for Suicide Squad? That actually makes sense.
I never really liked the Mad Hatter, but there is no way Fish could be him. Aside from the gender issue, it's way too early for him. He's not much older than Bruce. It could have just been some fan service.
And Barb has actually worked as a secondary character within Penguin's crew, so she has been redeemed somewhat.
The sad thing about the tank in Arkham Knight is that I actually like it. Actually, all of the things you do with the tank would be great for a modern Blaster Master game. But then you have the racing challenges and all that darned driving around, and the stealth sequences are severely weakened because most of the areas are open. The Arkham formula felt so watered down.
Sure like the idea of a Blaster Master reboot using Arkham Knight as a template though.
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Post by acathala on May 26, 2016 4:38:23 GMT -5
I think Mr Smith would have to play Deadshot's dad there. My fear of that scenario, is that is his son Jayden will appear as the young Deadshot. He's just dreadful at acting. If you want proof, see the sci-fi movie he made with his dad. It's actually the one film I walked out of.
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Post by TG Barighm on May 26, 2016 11:33:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw that movie, but I don't think you have much to fear. In all likelihood, the Smiths would command a contract a little too big for a secondary character. Unless it was just a cameo. Nothing wrong with that.
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Post by acathala on May 31, 2016 20:26:04 GMT -5
I think I have to disagree with you on the bazooka shooting of Galovan. I thought it was stupid and self-indulgent. It's been established Theo has mad dodging skills, yet when Penguin talks, Theo just stands there and lets Butch shoot him. I might have bought it had they snuck up on Theo and shot him. Oh and the music was so jarring in this scene as well. Bruce hitting Theo with the car was cool, even if you did see it coming a mile off.
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Post by TG Barighm on May 31, 2016 22:35:36 GMT -5
Oh, I completely agree. I even think hitting him with the car was too easy, and Butch suddenly becoming so receptive to Penguin's commands is also pretty dumb.
But of all the things for Penguin to bring to the fight...a bazooka. And to actually show Galavan blow up. It was so unexpected and delightfully satisfying. It's fitting that the season's last most memorable moment involved Penguin. Well, and Selena's chocolate comment, but that's only because my sister asked me to make a chocolate cake like 5 minutes earlier. Girls do like chocolate.
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Post by acathala on Jun 1, 2016 13:35:04 GMT -5
Well at least Bruce set a trap and didn't monologue at Galovan. I think they might be setting the original Azrael to be Ra's.
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Post by TG Barighm on Jun 1, 2016 14:39:23 GMT -5
I never even heard of Azrael until he appeared in Gotham. And lo and behold, he appears in Arkham Knight.
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Post by acathala on Jun 1, 2016 20:40:41 GMT -5
He's a fairly major figure in the comics. He also appeared in arkham city.
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Post by TG Barighm on Jun 2, 2016 2:49:19 GMT -5
Never encountered him in Arkham City, but then, I just focused on doing the main story.
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Post by acathala on Jun 2, 2016 15:42:33 GMT -5
You didn't miss much. Several meetings of talk and a minor puzzle. Oh and one last meeting of talk. Hope to see Theo's actor in something else though. He was a good villain.
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Post by TG Barighm on Jun 2, 2016 16:11:07 GMT -5
Yeah, Galavan was done surprisingly well, and that bit where he beats the crap out of Gordon was totally unexpected and welcome. I liked his sister too and how they interacted. She reminded me of Ada from Resident Evil. Really, the only thing dragging the two characters down was the show's inherent cheesiness.
The whole deal with Galavan is actually how I envision a fourth Batman Begins movie should play out, except now with Nightwing, and Penguin is the villain and running for mayor. Those movies were always more about realism, so the idea of a corrupt man running for mayor works. I say Penguin just because that's what happened in the second Burton movie.
What did you think of the whole "every crazy in Gotham is the result of Hugo Strange implanting bizarre personalities into their heads" explanation? I gotta say, that was a seriously shortsighted move. Instead of coming up with interesting stories for every villain, something that could have kept the show running for ages, we instead get "he/she was made crazy by Strange with no real motivations going forward". As a result, you get lots of villains that can be satisfactorily beaten in a single episode because there is absolutely no reason to give a damn about them. That might work for one season, but it's the long running story arcs with Penguin and Galavan that was interesting, not those one-off detective stories where some criminal was taken down every week.
It also completely invalidates all of the lore going forward. You can't have a faithful origin story for many of the villains now because you have to address the lore created by the show. Not without coming up with some stretched-too-thin explanation though, like every villain suddenly trained their sucessor.
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Post by acathala on Jun 2, 2016 18:13:39 GMT -5
I think that the finale is endemic of what's wrong with Gotham. The series lacks long term planning. It just lurches from arc to arc. I also suspect the show doesn't know what to do with some of the characters(particularly Barb and Leslie). If it's going to be just another monster of the week show, then that would be a shame. As for Strange creating the Villains, it's actually a similar issue I have with the X-Men comics. It cheapens the characters by not having a proper origin story. I say like X-men because a lot of mutants don't have proper origin story of getting their powers. All you need is the mutant gene and you have powers. Thankfully Batman has a vast Rogues Gallery, and not all his villains are native Gothamites. Still it's lazy story writing.
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Post by TG Barighm on Jun 2, 2016 18:39:20 GMT -5
Eh, X-Men aren't so bad. How they get the powers might not be so exciting, but there is still the fallout from them discovering their powers. Lots of stuff can happen around that. And they still came up with characters like Deadpool where the forced manifestation of the powers was an entire story arc in its own.
And I think Gotham's producers never intended for the show to go beyond a basic CSI rip-off with a Batman-esque gimmick. It's really too bad they didn't see the potential in the Batman franchise of all things. While Batman has gotten caught up in epic battles of late, the core of Batman playing detective would work just fine for a TV show. Yes he has the batmobile and yes he fights on rooftops, but it doesn't have to get much more epic than that, and he certainly doesn't need the kind of cast Arrow has built up. Actually, it only needs to match Arrow in production values to work, and that shouldn't be hard to do since Batman doesn't have to have a series of flashbacks set in another location, nor does he have to fight off entire armies.
Now that I really think of it, comic-book style episodic formats work a lot better for TV than they do for movies.
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Post by acathala on Jun 2, 2016 21:02:52 GMT -5
Gotham sometimes frustrates me. It's clear people on the production team have had good ideas, cast mostly good actors(though there have been bad choices) and decent money spent. It on the other has made baffling creative decisions, pisspoor longterm planning, and laziness. I also felt Strange was miscast. For the main arc villain, he lacked menace. Strange also needed to be taller and beefier. Yeah a Batman detective show would be good. I'm sure there were at least a couple episodes of the animated series that showed him as a detective.
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Post by TG Barighm on Jun 2, 2016 22:34:35 GMT -5
Yes, but it was "cartoony" detective work with a reliance on the bat computer to do all the heavy lifting so as to avoid any real explanations. The Arkham series, especially early on, had more convincing detective work. The sci-fi in the later games started to get a little out of hand though, it was enough that Batman's equipment was generally "better" than average and that he had miniaturized versions of so much tech, but then he had some stuff that was way beyond near future tech. Nothing wrong with that, but you can't really do convincing mystery stories when you have a magic wand tech device that can tell you everything you need to know at a moment's notice.
Just saying if they were to do a detective show, they would need to scale back the investigative tech a bit.
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Post by acathala on Jun 3, 2016 16:34:41 GMT -5
I like the idea of a year one Batman. I doubt it will happen whilst they're making movies. I strongly suspect the major arc villain next in Gotham will be Ra's. It will be interesting, if that is the case, how he compares to Arrow's Ra's.
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Post by TG Barighm on Jun 3, 2016 17:59:54 GMT -5
Eh, I think Gotham is a perfectly decent lead-in into a proper Batman storyline. Just look at Smallville. Started as a simple story about Superman's young years. By the end of it, it was full-on Justice League stuff with all the characters and villains and all that stuff (or so I was told). It has also been 10 years since Batman Begins (I know, doesn't feel like it). That's long enough to start a new run of the storyline.
I'm not confident they can do a good Ra's. They will do whatever some fatcat executive tells them to do, which is usually what's "hot" at the time. Don't be surprised if Superman somehow ends up on the show at some point.
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Post by acathala on Jun 9, 2016 12:46:25 GMT -5
So do you prefer the combat maps or predator maps?
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